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December 04, 2007

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Barbara

Perspective doesn't come easily while you're being driven away from the race you were winning. I've known people who have done the deed because they were in debt (at 18) and because their parents got divorced (at 14). I have a friend who's a quadraplegic, and he says there isn't a person who gets paralyzed who doesn't think of it in the early days. Thinkin' of it ain't doin' it. I think that's where perspective comes in.

matt

I'm not going to rag on you Sara for being insensitive. However, look at the Human species. We have people killing themselves (or others) for SEEMINGLY insignificant and trivial reasons. But apparently it's not insignificant or trivial to THAT person. Dealing with hardship in any form can really mess up your mind. Anybody who takes their own life obviously isn't 'thinking right'...but people can mentally go places that are best unvisited. I can't even fathom how he must have felt...he's WINNING the race...the DREAM RACE...the ONE RACE that EVERY cyclist wants to win. It's in the bag..all he has to do is stay out of trouble. YEARS of hard work, monumental effort, pain, suffering. Then in a blink of an eye he's in the back of a car being driven away in shame, SMACK DAB in the sporting-world spotlight. Damn that must have been a serious blow to him. Whether we like him or not, believe he did or didn't cheat, did or didn't deserve to even start the race...doesn't take away the fact that he DID start the race and was kicking ass on the best in the world and was poised to win. Not only was his dream taken away for THAT race, but possibly forever. He might NEVER get another shot at it. His career might be over. Time to get a day job. What would that be? He surely won't be a commentator, or even be allowed to stay with cycling as a coach. He's tainted...bad blood...a cheater. If that wouldn't put you in a serious funk where you are not thinking rationally, I don't know what would. Just my 2 cents worth.

Waddy

What's confusing is that he doesn't want to speak AT ALL about the personal issue that preceded his lie to the UCI, but feels OK to share with the world his suicidal feelings. Either he is a confused drug user or he's full of s*#t. I'll let you guess which one I pick. He's telling you that his personal issue is so serious and personal that he will not discuss it, even to defend his lie leading to avoiding mandatory drug testing, but he'd kill himself over the race itself. Sounds like PR to me. Why would a guy not come clean about his whereabouts in order to preserve his place in a race that is so important to him that he'd kill himself? But he would have you believe he's baring his soul to the world with this revelation. Selective soul baring? If it walks like a dirty chicken and talks like a dirty chicken...

My dirty penny's worth. Opinions are like dirty pennies.

Waddy

What's confusing is that he doesn't want to speak AT ALL about the personal issue that preceded his lie to the UCI, but feels OK to share with the world his suicidal feelings. Either he is a confused drug user or he's full of s*#t. I'll let you guess which one I pick. He's telling you that his personal issue is so serious and personal that he will not discuss it, even to defend his lie leading to avoiding mandatory drug testing, but he'd kill himself over the race itself. Sounds like PR to me. Why would a guy not come clean about his whereabouts in order to preserve his place in a race that is so important to him that he'd kill himself? But he would have you believe he's baring his soul to the world with this revelation. Selective soul baring? If it walks like a dirty chicken and talks like a dirty chicken...

My dirty penny's worth. Opinions are like dirty pennies.

Waddy

BAD BACK BUTTON! BAD BUTTON! STAY!

Larry

Living a lie, being a cheater and having to live with yourself is one thing. But having been found out.... ahhh, that's a world o'pain on another level. When irrational thought and opportunity meet, the result can be suicidal. Many think of it but, fortunately, do not have the opportunity. And the hopelessness and helplessness and isolation pass.

Having said this, I am not insensitive and have not ridden in that man's shoes BUT......

if a person were clean and innocent, I doubt they would react with suicidal thoughts. The response would be initial anger against the injustice and then fighting for one's honour. I'm glad he's still vertical as opposed to horizontal, but for me it confirms his guilt. He plunged to darkened depts because he got caught. He weighed the pros and cons, rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. He'll forever wonder what if.... he hadn't cheated. This eternal punishment fits the crime.

ps I came here today to post an FYI that one of my boys is going to see Ozzy Osbourne in Halifax, NS in January. (This is big news up here.) Crazy Train and Suicide. Ya never know where the day will take ya'.

Peace Out. Larry

Waddy

I have very personal reasons for having hit the back button, but to reveal them now would be too painful for my family and friends. However, as I sat in shame at my computer contemplating what had just happened, I considered throwing myself in front of my wireless router. Good thing there wasn't a spare ethernet cable laying around the office or I might not be here to tell you this now.

Waddy

Larry, Does he know the dove story on Ozzy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzy_Osbourne#Drug.2C_alcohol.2C_and_animal_abuse

CMehl

It used to make me laugh (inside) when I would interview riders and ask them what race they would most like to win and without fail each and every one would say the Tour REGARDLESS of the fact that there was no freakin' way they would ever be talented enough to win it. In my head I'd think, You should really pick more realistic goals, buddy! But it finally hit me that the DREAM of every cyclist is to win the Tour and a dream is just that, so why not aim high?! So I can see that being ripped from the Tour while WINNING would throw one into a pit of depression....but I think the chicken is a little dramatic in general so I can only take his comments with a grain of salt. People have certainly killed themselves over seemingly less issues. I know a young 16 yr old that hung herself because she didn't like her mom and was sure that's whom would find her....bingo.

On a lighter tone we are having some mega-surf on the west coast and I am leaving work early with my camera to check out some huge wave action up at Jalama. There could be some big wave surfers up there today and I've never seen that in person--woohoo!

kathleen

I'm with ya Sara. I had read that earlier and thought - 'ok, to mention the feeling once that's perfectly natural, human.' Who among us hasn't wished the floor would open up and swallow them whole during a painful event. But to go into such detail, twice, three times... Champion is as champion does.

Now, in your best Aussi twang... all together now - "Harden The F--- Up!!!"

Enjoy that big surf Cathy. I'm heading down to watch the show too!

woofdawg

So he thought about pulling the plug. So do other people, lots of 'em. Hell, the thought's even crossed my mind a few times when the poop was hitting propellor in a serious way. And some people even do it--but that doesn't mean that they deserve a pity party over it.

I can think of one other, well-known cyclist who had already won the thing, did the podium promenade, got the hardware and THEN got the actual rug yanked--not the dream of the rug, but the bonafide flying carpet of a rug. And you don't hear THAT guy running around whining about how awful it all was.

The "Chicken" indeed.

kathleen

"You fool. As if it matters how a man falls down."

"When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal."

- Prince Richard to Prince Geoffrey from "The Lion in Winter"

Camille

Well, I guess ol' Michael was just feelin' like a FUNKY Chicken.

And Larry, I reacted exactly as you did to his wanting to kill himself right then. Exactly, BINGO... you'd only feel that way if you were guilty and knew you were nailed. If you were innocent you'd just feel righteous rage.

I'm so sick of Michael Rasmussen and his bony whiny drama queen ass. Now VINO, THERE was a nice ass. (I saw it through his ripped shorts) Oops, but I digress.

Funky Chicken, just go away!

matt

Ahh...good discussion today! Nice lead Sara!!

I do have to say that in my experience, someone caught cheating often reacts the most vocally, thinking they SOUND innocent but are broadcasting their guilt. Be that shame, overcompensation..I don't know. But Ya'll do have good points...(why tell the world he was thinking of offing himself? Does he want/expect pity?) And I guess it can be a fine line between how an innocent and a guilty person react when confronted (the innocent one KNOWS he's innocent, the guilty one either accepts and acknowledges the guilt, or TRIES to act like he's innocent). I'm not a chicken hater...I still think what he did on the bike in all the prior years is noteworthy (King of the Mtns is not just GIVEN away for showing up!). However I guess only he knows if THOSE titles were clean. But as we have discussed in times past, how do we know ANY wins are clean by anybody? We accept some things on faith.

And Cathy, yes I heard there is big surf today and tomorrow. We are planning a Point Sal ride tomorrow after work here on base...takes us RIGHT ALONG the coast for a few miles till the dead-end at the Pt...should be SWEET! Love it when the surf is pounding and the salt-mist is like a wind coming off the surf. And also Cathy, put your eyes skyward tomorrow (Weds) eve at 6:31pm sharp...we have a Delta II going off (assuming it goes)...and if it's clear (has been all week) it will be a great show EASILY visible all the way down the coast. I will prob be back on base after my ride to watch...we don't launch that many here at Vandenberg...only a few every year. A rocket launch is always an awesome sight/sound! (I'll be about 3 or 4 miles away from the pad at my normal viewing area).

CMehl

Matt, I didn't realize you worked at Vandenburg! We have a friend that retired from there recently, worked on the rockets, too. When my boys were younger he took us on a Tour one Saturday when they were building the rocket launch area and MY OH MY what a gigantic hole that is where they set the rocket up! Most impressive. I will pay attention tomorrow evening. I've seen some beauties (from a great distance, of course). Now we're going to Jalama bright and early in the morn because hubby says the waves are at their peak then. The surf sites say more than 30 feet! Wish me luck with the new camera--I'll send Sara a photo if anything comes out.

Camille

Oh, by the way Sara, I loved reading your entry today; I wasn't dissing your choice of subject matter at all. In fact it was fun to read and fun to hear your take on it. And I would only add that it's mostly just BONY-ASS guys in spandex in a bike race. Other than that I wouldn't change a word of your post! :)

jessica

Well it sounds to me like the chicken might actually have someone elses secret to keep, as to the reasons why he wasn't where he was supposed to be during his sojourn to mexico. Which might lend truth to the gay theory. Which doesn't matter.

Having suicidal thoughts and expressing them repeatedly in the press doesn't a guilty person make. I can't defend the chicken but do get the sense he can't win at any juncture. He keeps his yap shut; he's called cold and removed. He says this devastated him; we can't extend the possibility that every single rider, drugs or no, have made some borderline decisions in their lives to create that career and would be equally devastated? Borderline not always meaning drugs but certainly questionable healthy choices for body and spirit. Every interview with tyler hamilton had him sounding indignant and raging and I've yet to hear if he's been shown innocent.

Larry

Sara out front AND stirring the pot. Now thats different! I think we're almost at consensus here about MR. Jessica makes a salient point but for me I says "come on back next year and do it again Michael, whilst we test ya real good". To think I admired the guy a few years ago for his climbing prowess (from my MTB racing days). This confirms I'm past my "Best Before Date" when it comes to idols.

Waddy, a revision to my Ozzy post - 2 of my boys are going. The oldest is going to school in Halifax, and we got him and his pals tickets on-line. Unbeknownst to me, my mom got my 11 yr old (the drummer) a ticket for Christmas. My sister will take him. (She's 52 and a big fan.) My nephew is a guitar wizard, with his own band and CD - not sure of the lingo but he tells me he uses very heavy strings (36 guage??). But this awesome guitarist with Ozzy uses "ropes" as thick as 70. He tells me this axeman is very good.

And yeah, they know about the dove. By the way, I'll let you know the lineup for the 8th Annual Cape Breton Drumfest scheduled for April. Ya wanna come up with your wife and your bike, you are welcome to crash at my place. The organizer tells me its gonna be the best ever.

Cheers, Larry

cat

Oh my, you guys, I feel like it's last summer! What fun this was. Thank you Sara and my dear funny, friends!

jessica

Your boys might want to take extra pants to the show Larry. I almost pee'd mine when ozzy dropped mid-way thru the set and started to do pushups and jumping jacks. But iommi was very nimble.

Barbara

Cathy, send a couple of those surf pictures around for those of us who are watching the snow today!

Theresa

I'm with kathleen and jessica. The guy can't win. I believe that he did feel that way. But his cycling career is over. I had my moments when I was younger, and know many people feel like they could do it, to take away the pain, but it doesn't happen, and some time it does. Too bad I don't love Rassmussen like I do Floyd....but, I'm not going to bash him either.

Theresa

Oh, and Barbara, you make good points too. Sara, you are just so level-headed! I love it!

Surf pictures would be cool!

CMehl

Okay, I sent some photos around from Dawn Patrol! Let me know if you didn't get them or weren't on Matt's email list (because that's the list I copied!)

Matt, is the rocket launch still on? It's so beautiful today but was already windy at Jalama at dawn.

cat

Matt or Cathy, I wasn't on the list for the pics. Can you send them on to me?? Merci.

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