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September 18, 2007

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cat

Oh god Sara, you hit on sooooo many painful points in this one post. Although disappointed, I understand Johann and Astana, sort of like revealing a previously unseen part of a person's character (is it unfair to jusdge the team in a way I don't judge Floyd?); but I don't DO NOT understand the Levi part. Mr Boy Scout????

I have been trying to think only positively about the Arbs decision, though you easily peeled that veneer away with one sentence: "Why would this part be any more fair than the rest of this joke of a system has been?" My heart broke reading that. It is true, just as susieb's comments last night were true. But I can't live like that. I have to believe that regardless of other's stupidity, it is possible for good people to make a way in the world, make a difference and shine a light on another path in the world. In spite of all Floyd offers as an athlete, might his purpose and place in the world, for this moment, to champion the cause? Who else would have the personal integrity and perseverence to make it through such a fight? Otherwise, what is the point?

strbuk

Brace yourself Sara, I posted you on TBV! :-)

Paula

Theresa

Ok, I've had my head buried in one race, to say the least. And I've been basking in the joy and excitement that US racing is at it's best! Now, Sara, drags me back to the "world" of cycling in Europe!

I'm willing to give Astana a chance. It started because of Vino. But they are determined to clean up the team and make it sucessful. And maybe Johan can do that. Levi is looking for a strong team to help him reach his goals, and can you imagine the money they are offering???

Regarding Floyd, I'm braced. I don't know how I'll handle a 2-1 decision. But, the guy has been suspended almost 18 months during all this, surely they couldn't do anything worse than what he's already been through! I got so tickled with a lady in St Louis, who said to me," he told his mother, he didn't do it" and went on to remind me of the character of Floyd, and I just wanted to hug her!

CMehl

I don't understand why it's a problem for people if Johan and Eki go to Astana. A team is made up of the warm bodies that work for the organization....it's the individuals that end up being dirty not the entity of the team itself. As businessmen the Kazakhs have invested hords of money in the team and the sport....to only have it be regarded now as dirty. Why not revamp your management, hire someone from the dream team that happens to be closing shop, and see if the team can be put back on track? It makes perfect business sense.

It is no surprise to me that Levi or Contador or any of the other riders would want to stay with JB. He is a top notch MANAGER--he listens to his riders, he nurtures them along and he pulls results out of them they could only dream of before. And don't forget there are still clean riders under contract with Astana and they deserve to ride on a well-managed team. I think of Paolo Salvodelli in particular.

Personally I think it's a great opportunity for Johan to step into full-blown management instead of being in the car, and it's an incredible opportunity for Eki to direct a team from (basically) his area of the world.

If this happens watch for many of the DC riders who only signed one year contracts to come flooding back to JB. He knows what he's doing and he knows how to put together a top-notch staff and team. I have been hanging around cycling teams for the past 5 years now and I have never seen the true team spirit and friendships that exist with DC at other teams. That's why I've so enjoyed working for them and would hop on board any train JB decides to conduct. It is that professional and satisfying; it really is.

Camille

Cathy, it's so nice to hear such a positive outlook on all that DC denouement (yes, I know big words), and now Astana. I appreciate your informed and optimistic take, and thanks for sharing it. I've just had about all the bad news I want on that subject, you know?

Now, I have a dumb question. What is Vino's status lately? Banned forever by all? Just by Astana? Or will he be back on Astana soon or at some point? And now I realize I'm just being lazy and could probably Google that info. But if anyone knows a quick answer and wants to give it, be my guest.

Camille

Cathy, it's so nice to hear such a positive outlook on all that DC denouement (yes, I know big words), and now Astana. I appreciate your informed and optimistic take, and thanks for sharing it. I've just had about all the bad news I want on that subject, you know?

Now, I have a dumb question. What is Vino's status lately? Banned forever by all? Just by Astana? Or will he be back on Astana soon or at some point? And now I realize I'm just being lazy and could probably Google that info. But if anyone knows a quick answer and wants to give it, be my guest.

Theresa

Camille, Astana fired Vino. Now he's in his own world of trying to defend himself. He'll be banned for 4 yrs from a Pro Tour team, pretty much putting him into retirement.

Cathy, thank you for making sense of such an emotional issue. I forgot that Eki would be based much closer to home. And if Johan can spend just a little more time with his family, it really is a great opportunity! I do want the team to survive and get past this. I always loved their kits.:) And to be the only former country that was part of the USSR with a cycling team; I think it's really cool!!

susie b

I'm glad you brought up the Johan/Astana thing, Sara. And Cathy, my displeasure is largely because I feel LIED to. Just 5 weeks ago Johan said one of the main reasons for Disco's disbanding was that HE WANTED TO RETIRE! He was DONE with the bickering of the PTB, dealing with the doping, & the traveling, etc. I was shocked to read that at the time as I figured Johan was a "lifer". But, if he truly wanted out, I thought, ok, I guess I can accept that. So, the idea he would now head Astana, the team whose reputation is now in the toilet & whose manager would deal with EVERYTHING Johan wanted to get away from, well, it just irritates me! However, if it ALSO means he could employ many of the ex-Disco staffers & riders, then I see that as the silver lining. Hey, I'm TRYING to embrace my inner optimist & make Cat happy! :)

Regarding Levi, it actually makes sense, for the TEAM anyway. They are one of the few teams with MONEY & in NEED of a "clean" GC contender. If I was them, I'd offer Levi the moon. As for Levi, most teams with enough money & good domestiques already have a GC Tour contender, so where could he go? What I will find fascinating is if Contador goes there too. If Johan does take the job, I would expect AC to follow, despite his 'unfortunate' time on that team before joining Disco.

As for Floyd, I am AFRAID to hope. I've been so "all in" on this travesty for the past 14 months that there were days & weeks where I was so upset I couldn't sleep! I worried about Floyd, about his Mom & Dad, about his wife & daughter, about his hip, about his psycological state, about his financial situation. Hell, I've worried more about Floyd than my own damn self & this has been a pisser of a year for me! ;)

And Strbuk, after your comment on TBV, I just had to click over to that other blog to see. Sloppy, definitely NOT 'A' game material there.... ;) Three weeks ago, a comment was written to him about Floyd tearing up Leadville & winning 2nd (only 100 seconds behind) despite only a few weeks training, but I guess he didn't read or forgot. Oh, who am I kidding, since when did he care about the comments? ;) ;)

OH, & let's just hope NO ONE lands at BMC! I can NOT believe they hired that sniveling, worthless excuse for a man, Lelangue! HATE THAT GUY! Will NEVER forget & will NEVER forgive the crap he said about Floyd. EVER.

CMehl

Hey Susie,I guess you won't read any stuff I end up writing for BMC then, and I do understand....but BMC organization is a good one and I do hope to be involved with them. BMC has already signed some fine riders: Tony Cruz, Nathan O'Neill and Jeff Louder to name three. I met with their DS Gavin at USPro, and I like what they are about and the potential for growth for the team. Am I thrilled how Lelangue responded to FL's positive? No, but if it doesn't end up bothering FL too much then it's no prob for me either. This could even be a team for FL!!

And I don't think JB lied; I think the opportunity came up to manage which can dovetail nicely with spending more time with Eva and Victoria. Things change; it's part of life.

Waddy

In fairness, I really didn't think MD was giving his opinion on Floyd, just what he heard from the masses while in Colorado. Granted, it's an incomplete thought, but I thought his intent was really just to express the frustration Floyd and many of us must be feeling. That said, ever since Sara relayed the bit about typepad allowing the blogger to see the searches that led readers to their site, I've been naughty. Whenever someone here alerts us to read something over at MD's, I google "Martin Dugard is a dick" in order to get to his site. It makes me giggle, and I like to giggle. And maybe he'll see it sometime. I'm giggling now.

As for Johan and DC, I think we all know who really wanted out of cycling. And it's not so weird for Levi since he did ride for Gerolsteiner. He's spent time on an Eastern bloc team before. He's a consummate pro.

CMehl

Oh Waddy, I am giggling too! You are very bad in such a good way!

CMehl

Forgot to say my bank changed names today to RABOBANK! So here's to Denis Menchov in the Vuelta and that poor Chicken wherever he might be and especially to Michael Boogard and those beautiful white teeth of his!

woofdawg

Giggle, giggle... that's perfect.

Rant of the day--and more reasons to F the UCI (as if there weren't a surplus already): I don't know if y'all caught this little morcel, but apparently Levi was forced to change his TT position at both Missouri AND the TdF as the UCI,in their infinite wisdom, decided to prohibit the one in which he had trained all winter--due to "safety ergonomic" considerations. He had spent considerable time in the wond tunnel perfecting the position, which was quite similar to Floyd's "praying mantis" TT position. What an absolute crock of @#$@#. They sould let riders ride, and keep to doing what they do best--being a*$#%%$s.

That said, I'm awaiting Floyd's verdict with a mixture of dread and that sort of naive hope that still thinks that the good guys will eventually win out.

Okay, maybe it's time to go peek and see what's up over at Major Dick's place.

Waddy

My wife thinks it's funny when I chant my Rabobank cheer, "Go rob a bank, Go rob a bank!" I know it's just one letter off, but one letter can make such a difference. Remember Woody Allen in "Take The Money and Run" when he tries to rob a bank with a note, but the teller insists that the note says "I have a gub", not "gun". (more giggling)

Waddy

No Camille, I haven't been anywhere near the "tranquilo".

Camille

Waddy, you were a demon child too weren't you. So was Woofdawg. Y'all are BYYY-YUHD!!! (That's Tex-speak) (home of attractive, buff, friendly party animals who don't know sh!t from shinola)

Waddy, you're just naturally tranquilo...

Theresa thanks for the 'informations' re: poor ol' Vino. Pooooor misguided, glory-seeking Vino. tsk tsk, toooo bad. I just wanted to pinch those cute pink healthy steroidized cheeks. Little did I know.

susie b

Oh Waddy, you do make me laugh. (Even if you don't reply to emails; a trait in common with you know who....say it ain't so! :)

And Cathy, I'll be truly happy for your employment & I would have gone anywhere to read your Cycling reports; except to BMC as long as Lelangue works there. Some may think it is illogical the amount of total DISGUST I hold for that guy, more than anybody else in cycling, more than any doper, more than Dick Pound even! But I believe in loyalty & integrity & that piece of crap has NONE. I know Floyd will need a job when his suspension is over & won't be able to be too choosy, but if he works with Lelangue, then I didn't understand Floyd AT ALL. And yeah, I know, after recent events, I should probably just refrain from EVER thinking I "understand" someone from afar. Would certainly save me a great deal of anguish. ;)


Free Floyd.


Paula Kirsch

Waddy, I slapped MD on the wrist about the "dissipated" Floyd Landis remark because , IMO, he was trying to make a case about staying in shape and used completely erroneous information about Floyd to do so. I cannot believe MD did not know about Leadville and the SM100, it was IMO a cheap shot taken for what I believe are personal reasons.

Paula

Richard Tete

I believe that MD may be a disciple of Austin Murphy's school of "journalism," in which the first rule is never to let the truth interfere with your story.

woofdawg

Oops, blew it. Forgot to take off my Richard Tete costume before that last post. Dick, the game's up.

cat

One thing I love about this blog is the extremes that are tolerated. I can make an emotional and ill informed comment and not one of you chided me or bitched me out. Yay ya'll!! And Cathy, I love the fact that you educate me every darned time you write, and never talk down or sound critical. Your analysis of any situation is always informed and interesting. Thank you. Plus, there is always someone who has an esoteric or previously unrevealed tidbit to share (Camille asks and she receives!). Ok, before I get all verklempt....I just love the passion and knowledge you guys impart.

So, interesting politics afoot. Cathy's perspective is so much more professional and kinda guy-like, which cycling culture tends to have anyway. Maybe jock-like is a better way to put it. Most things aren't taken personally, but on occasion strong rivalries are generated. But in the end, ya gotta ride, and it better be the best team you can catch!

Waddy, I didn't know that Gerolsteiner was Eastern European! When I first started watching the TdF and saw those funny ads of Levi with his wife telling OLN to go away cause he was training (even at night, in the dark). I thought he was a Laplander or maybe German (I make myself laugh) because of the sponsor and his name. That was a funny campaign.

Susie, keep in touch with your inner optimism, it will make you happier.

Gotta go check out the MD! (Dang, if Paula/strbuck is cranky, it's gotta be good)

cat

PS Ive been meaning to ask Amy if she has a nurse blog or visits any that are particularly good. I wanted to share this one with you Ames: http://theunderweardrawer.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html
Go to the "12 Medical Specialties" cartoon, I laughed so hard I started crying!

susie b

Well yeah, I've got some good news (although non-cycling) to impart! Did I ever tell you guys that my assistant's niece has been on the cover of Sports Illustrated? She was a member of the US Olympic gold-medal softball team & they put them all on the cover last time. Anyway, I just read on SI.com that she's been named to the 2008 team, so YEAH! I don't think Bob knows yet, so can't wait to tell him!

Theresa

Cathy, I love BMC!! I even got my picture taken with Gavin in DG! I'm not thrilled with John L.; but I know he was covering his ass to get a job. Floyd and Andy Rihs are still on good terms, so that makes me happy!! And I like the riders on the team. And I like Scott Moninger!! Tony Cruz is excited about his deal with BMC, from my little chat with him at the Marriott in Downers Grove!

And MD seems to be totally out of touch with cycling, and doesn't seem to care. So I don't read his blog anymore....and how dare he say anything about Floyd's fitness level!!!

Paula Kirsch

Cat, I guess I *am* a bit cranky :-) But I heard from the man himself that Friday IS the day, so perhaps my mood will improve once we hear...something!!

Paula

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