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August 01, 2007

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Theresa

How tragic! To see a young talented person die before their time is so sad.
And Debi, don't ever feel that you are missing us, due to the time difference. We all go back and read the posts from the last day, just in case we miss anything. So, your comments get read, and we love to hear from you.

Routine surgeries, that go bad. We lost a bike shop owner, who was a huge presence in the cycling community around here early last year. He left behind two teenage daughters and his mom to pick up the pieces. In Sept., we have the 2nd annual "Celebrate Life" ride in Kevin's name, to raise money for bikes for kids at the Boy's and Girl's Club. One way to keep them alive, after they are gone.

Camille

That really IS sad... Debi, I'm so sorry for the loss for you and for Barloworld and all of South Africa. And for us, too because he could have been a wonderful addition to the Tour and other races in future years. And I have to say, although I feel guilty for being so shallow, that my first thought when I saw his picture was what a hottie he is, and then I read that he had DIED. I know that a lot of cycling fans are crying there today because he must have really been something. It's very tragic and to hear that it happened during a routine surgery -- yikes! But I'm sending you condolences about this and we all share in the loss.

Sara Best

On a totally inappropriate note, I just changed my Graham Watson calendar to August and was blind-sided by the utterly dreamy picture of Tom Boonen riding the 2006 Paris-Roubaix.

It is so incredibly distracting that I'm basically not going to get any work done for the month on August - just telling you now.

Waddy

Sara, I've been Boonen's biggest critic in the past and even during the early stages of this year's Tour, but I think Tom really matured during the race this year. Adversity, internal team strife, and some lack of race tactics all befell him this year and he still persevered. It had to be a huge growing experience for him. Either it breaks you or makes you stronger. I would expect some great results for him from here on out. And for your benefit, that should translate into more exposure for him.

Camille

Hey Waddy, will you email me at clolsen(at)austin(dot)rr(dot)com (those are L's and not ones by the way and the spelling out is to keep the robot-address-finders from spamming me), or else put your email address here? I have comments re the elitism thing that I just can't post on these sites and I wanted to discuss wit ya. :) Thanks, C

Camille

Okay, I just decided that sounded like the blog equivalent of whispering, which I guess is rude. So I'll just say that almost anything anyone says could be taken as elitist or bragging by someone else, depending on who is doing the listening. Although I will concede for sure that I think Ray's mission lately is to be sure we all know he spends time in France (and from what I can gather, I think it's at his in-laws' house). But seriously any of us have things in our lives that anyone else could be envious about, you know? Ray could be envious, Waddy, of all your past experiences around famous musicians, or that you have a 4 year old daughter, or tht you have a great sense of humor or knowledge of sports facts or any of a number of things you've mentioned. Someone might think anyone else's athletic pursuits are the bees knees, especially if they have bad knees, speaking of knees.... etcetera. Anyway, the whole concept of elitism is funny. It all depends on one's point of view. Although if we think WE are being disdained, that's when it sticks in the old craw. Believe me I know, because I can laugh at (what I perceive to be) elitist comments unless I think they are meant to make *me* feel diminished. (or unless it's that time of the month! lol)

But my *point* is.... wait, did I have a point? Maybe not. Time for my gingkgo biloba. Hope I spelled that right so Claired won't correct me... :)

Larry

As I recently posted on Marty D's site:

In Bicycling Magazine, September 2007 edition, there is a nine-page (including photos) feature story on cycling in Cape Breton: "The Music of the Road", by David Darlington, photos by Eric Piasecki.

The writer took part in a group tour, by Pedal and Sea Adventures, during October, 2006. The story includes a bit of history, geography, gastronomy, music and a bit of riding. And the author says, "As it happens, Cape Breton Island is also one of the best places in the world to ride a bike..."

This is too cool. Seems now the word is out.

Any of the regulars here who gets a hankerin' for comin' and having a looksy for yerself down the road should give me a heads-up.
I'd be happy to show you some of the sites.

ps Sara, seems we have another thing in common - a fondness for Warren Kinsella. Good guy, wrong party. But a good guy nonetheless. Cheers.

Sara Best

Larry, you're pretty sneaky. How did you know about my connection to Warren. You saw my name on his blog the other day?

I worked for Warren a few years ago and we've remained friends. We're both members of the RIGHT party ;)

And stop telling everyone about the great cycling in Canada would ya? It's bad enough we have Bicycling blabbing it all over the world. We want to keep that stuff to ourselves - just kidding of course.

Theresa

Yes, Camille that was whispering on a blog!! lol I was going to say, what? what? I want to know too!!!

I agree with Waddy about Tom. It appears that he "grew up" during the Tour, right in fron t of our eyes. I feel he was genuinely happy with his team's success. It isn't just the wins that count, that make you a fine cyclist.

Camille

Here's what Peyton Coker, one of the Texas 4000 riders, had to say about Canada on her journal the other day. They had just left Vancouver and were headed towards Lilloet (sp?). Claire and her team have been equally effusive. And if I weren't such a proud 'Markin, I might be just a little bit jealous... So here's the quote:

"Soon after, the weather cleared for a while, and I began to notice how insanly BEAUTIFUL Canada is. We were passing pastoral green fields of baled hay, little cabins nestled under huge, snow peaked mountains, and giant green pine trees that stretched on for miles."

I bet it's cooler up there, too. Dammit.

Larry

Touche' Sara. You are correct - you are in the "Right" party. T'is I that is in the "Left" party. Didn't see that one coming.

I'm a fan of Warren's and correspond with him from time to time. You obviously missed my 15 seconds of fame when he worked me into his mano-a-mano interview with Johnny Rotten (a shout out to Sex Pistol fans!). Cycling can lead you to the strangest places! ;-)

Waddy

It's funny Camille, because when you mention those things about me it really makes me self-conscious. Sometimes when I'm replying to someone as in my music conversations with Larry, I forget that everyone else is reading it too. Funny thing about the glass house of the internet. Now I've started to feel a little too much of a "look at me" thing. But really, I was mostly defending Phil and Paul. And then, as I said, when I get really worked up, I just go in hard with comedy. Perception is a funny thing. I'd probably enjoy the French broadcast if I understood a word of French. I liked the post that Marty put up of the pile-up in the early stage of the Tour from Dutch TV, even though the only word I understood was "Cancellara". Now I should probably apologize to Ray over at Active, but then Phil and Paul would be pissed at me, and I can't have that.

Sara Best

Wow, very small world Larry, that's very cool. Warren is a very, very good guy and you show great taste in being a fan and friend of his - your odd political affiliations aside ;)

Camille, that's a lovely description of Canada, I'm glad they're enjoying their time up here. Yup, Larry and I live in a ridiculously beautiful country - not that you guys don't.

Afraid I'm dying of the heat up here this week though.

Camille

Sara, or is it the heat coming off that August calendar page? (now *which* calendar was that again? and where would a theoretical purchaser get one?)

susie b

Yes, debi, I'm so sorry for you & for cycling at the loss of this young man. NO surgery is ever "routine" as ANYTHING can happen!

I also agree with Waddy. Tom has kind of irritated me the last couple years at the Tour because he seemed whiny,etc. And even the 1st half of this one, I thought he was true to form. But all the things Waddy said PLUS I think all the cyclists realized the threat that their sport is now under with the doping mess & it clarified things for him real quick. Kind of like being on a battlefield, I imagine you realize what's really important REAL quick.

And Sara, I use that old Gladiator pic of Tom as MY excuse whenever I don't feel much like working. :)

Matt - I WARNED you about the humidity! You western people have Noooooo idea. "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" is NOT just a catchphrase!

About Ray - he does not strike me as a guy with the best sense of humor, if ya know what I mean. And not just because he hates my ONE TRUE LOVE. ;) ;)

I bet claired & Ray would get on famously though...

And Pa's gonna get out the switch fer makin' all us kids worry 'bout you, LAR! But, I'm glad you're home anyway.

Camille

Hey Waddy, didn't mean to make you get the "look at me" feeling, lol. And you know I just couldn't help jumping in with Jessica and teasing you -- some things can't be resisted. Resistance is futile, I think the saying goes. And you have to understand I'm about one month into my "can't run" marathon, which gives me the sassy-blurts worse than ever. I do think that tomorrow I might actually be able to venture out and try a run. I've been resting up this heel of mine and I'm ready to go out and re-injure it again in the name of better social relations with all those around me. Running seems to be the only thing that gives me some vestige of a filter over my mouth. Sigh. Remember how nice I used to be back when I was training for my marathon? Okay, no one remembers. I think I'll go have some chocolate.

Waddy

Camille, Love ya the way you are. But I'm sure the run will feel good. I'm dying to get out on a ride. Just hoping my wife gets home while there's still enough daylight.

Sara Best

I'm with you Waddy, I would KILL to go for a ride but we're in the middle of the worst head wave and I'm afraid I might die out there.

I hope you have better luck!

susie b

Couple questions/comments

How exactly do you think it will work with David Millar being a part-owner of Slipstream?! It's one thing for a multi-Tour winner to take a part ownership, as Lance did with US Postal/Discov, but Millar is no Lance. I was stunned when I read that.

When the Arbs are deciding a Doping case, do they GET TOGETHER to talk it over or do they reach their decisions totally on their own & just present on same day? What's the longest time from Hearing to Decision on record?

And Julie, as much as it KILLS me to say it, I was thinking the same thing as you (cover your eyes Matt) about Floyd's chances of ever getting into the TDF again with the current dope-hunt hysteria in cycling. And of course, every DOPE that pops up as having DOPED in the next 11 months makes it all that much harder. IF Floyd wins the USADA hearing AND they don't take it to CAS AND that French group declines to go forward, maaaaybe he has a chance.

And I also was THRILLED to see George leading the Discos & the rest of the peloton onto the Champs & yelled at the TV for the guys to SAY something before they finally did! :)
BTW, I was very happy that Lance came into the booth this year to talk to P2. I was really ticked last year when he didn't. I don't think he gave them the answer they were looking for on how he felt about the final stages on the Champs though. LOL!

One final question. WHO has a better chance of riding in the TDF again - Floyd or Chicken?

catherine

Debi. So sorry for the loss of Ryan. Although everyone feels "routine surgery" should be, well, routine, no surgery is. It's all a possibility, just like getting out of bed and crossing the street.

Sorry for my grimness. It's just been a hard two weeks in the ICU. Sometimes the loss enters me unbidden; I'm not paying attention and the grief of others comes on me full throttle. If I am not prepared, it blindsides me.

Sitting in the middle of the nursing station today reviewing charts, and couldn't figure out why I felt like sobbing. In the room next to me, 7 doctors and 5 nurses were performing a resuscitation. Not common, but not unexpected either. They battled for 35 minutes.

Behind that closed door, the husband called out to her, "Cookie, I love you, I love you!" and her heart came back to beat for a few minutes. Then she left again. Every nurse cried. The power of his words was immense. Although I wasn't there, his grief reached outside the room and settled on my heart.

When he came out, I didn't know she had died, I just saw his face. He wandered the unit, clutching a pillow, back and forth, aimless. I followed him to offer some direction, comfort, I didn't know what. When I reached out and touched his arm he turned to me. The naked, burnt away look in his eyes, stopped me in my tracks. We stood like that for a few seconds, then without invitation I reached up and held his face. "Cookie's dead," he whispered, then he sobbed.

I miss the tour. I feel like I didn't get to give it my 24/7 attention like years past, and I missed those little moments that make it great. Life just gets in the way.

BTW, Chipoltle is pronounced Che-pole-tay.

Let the sun heal your soul.

Janann

Wow, Cat. That left me crying at my computer -- I could absolutely feel what you must have felt....
That job would be extremely difficult for me to handle. I hope you have a way to find peace and leave most of it at work.

Things like that always make me so thankful for everyday life, though.

Just got home, so I'll catch up more tomorrow. Welcome Ken! So glad that that you've both decided to keep coming back here Larry and Waddy :)

Theresa

Cat, you got me too;. Sitting here crying....that's why I prefer pharmacy, and long-term care in a warehouse to boot. I don't have to go thru that emotional rollercoaster. I've always known that I want to keep my distance, just enough to protect myself. I guess that's one reason why I didn't have any kids, either...

OK enough of that from me...I thought it was chi-pole-lee?? And we have one now, too!!
The had the press conferences today and yesterday for the stages of the Tour of MO. Wow, the time-trial is going to be a bugger!! It's in Branson, and it's pretty hilly, not flat. Our stage is long, and rolling. The altitude changes as they go south, they keep climbing. But it'll be be a good stage for the sprinters. Those are the two that were in our paper. I have to check the rest of the routes.

Good news, my laptop is finally, letting me post here! I spent $75 to find out that if I used Explorer instead of Foxfire, I wouldn't have had a problem.lol But it took me going in and showing the tech how I couldn't post here, and he had to research it. So funny, I have to put a URL address in the field, or it won't let me post. But, I paid for his knowledge, that for sure!!

I wonder how Matt is in the swamp that is Florida??

debi

oh catherine, what a very sad, but extremely eloquent and beautiful post...your feelings convey exceptionally well onto *paper*. just when i thought i'd cried all my tears too!

thanks everyone for your words of comfort... there will be a memorial ride for ryan in johannesburg on the 7th. they'll ride past his parent's house, past his house and on to the church.
picture this - church filled with lycra - heehe. i think i'll fly up for that.

and sara - eyes right, babe. i think august should stay until after christmas!

BTW - i too have a canadian connection - my sister lives in vancouver!

Camille

Catherine, your story got me too... had to wipe the tears away. That was what happened at the end of my brother's life also, although he was already too far gone and it was pointless to try and resuscitate him, they tried anyway. My dad and sister were there-- the only time I have ever heard that my dad cried in his life. Everyone, try to love your family members and look past their faults even when you think you just can't. Suddenly when they die you will be sooo sorry for the lost time and opportunities. I had a huge amount of resentment toward my brother and then when I got the news he had died, it was like a sharp knife in my heart, knowing I had felt that way toward him and then it was too late to make amends. Of course, since, I have done so in my mind and I like to believe his spirit and mine are connected and at peace now.

Okay everyone, didn't mean to be a big downer this morning. But Catherine, thank you for that story and I'm sorry you had such a tough two weeks. And thanks for being there for that man when you could have just looked away and not tried to comfort him. You are so brave!

Larry

Floyd, innocent or guilty, has a better chance of riding in the TdF than Rasmussen. No team is going to touch MR with a barge pole. Sometimes first impressions are the strongest, and MR doesn't give off a warm & fuzzy vibe. I can't imagine teammates wanting to suffer for him... trusting him.

Landis is a good person at the core (I feel). If found guilty, hopefully he'll do his time and come back clean. Like Millar. If innocent, HE, not Contador, could be the saviour of all of cycling. A "Clean Landis" - the future face of cycling! Isn't that a nice thought.

Marty, as usual, was right. It was the "anti-hero" tour. But sharp minds will remember our weighty and somber discussions about accountability, perserverence, and redemption. It'll only work if a guilty Landis (that was an "IF")owns up, admits, confesses... And then we turn the page and embark on a new journey.

The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step. Or so said a seasoned mind. I concur.

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